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Double pace lines are LEGAL and maybe you ought to re read the Statute
again!!! or have someone translate the law for you. I got news for you,
until you put on the kind of miles on the road like me, you NOT a "real"
cyclist, so maybe you should be the one to GET OFF the road.
Huan
>From: George Edwards <gedwards@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: gedwards@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: Huan Dinh <huan_dinh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: GCCMail: Critical Mass Rides
>Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 06:53:12 -0400
>
>Huan:
>
>Double pace lines are specifically illegal under Florida Statute 316 if
>there are cars behind you. If you do not know the law get off the road.
>
>George
>
>
>Huan Dinh wrote:
>>George,
>>
>>YOU are the one that should apologize to the GCC. Apparently you have no
>>idea about the critical mass rides, well, at least not with the critical
>>mass rides that I have been on. We ride in double paceline just any
>>normal GCC rides and follow all traffic laws. Yes, other than myself, who
>>has been a member of the GCC for 20 yrs and counting, there are many other
>>members participate in the critical mass rides. Please refrain yourself
>>from making offensive remarks to the majority in the future. Thanks.
>>
>>Huan
>>
>>
>>>From: "Tom Wells" <tbwells@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: GCCMail@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: Re: GCCMail: Critical Mass Rides
>>>Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 22:09:51 -0400
>>>
>>>I wholeheartedly agree with Gary Wheeler and take both umbrage and
>>>exception to the comments here of George Edwards. I apologize to
>>>myself and to all the participants of Critical Mass, with whom I have
>>>often ridden, for not having taken open exception to earlier comments
>>>in like vein.
>>>
>>>It is incredible and reprehensible that Mr. Edwards holds that the
>>>_expression_ of one's opinion in the forum of GCC e-mail "would expose
>>>our Board of Directors and Officers to actions for negligence".
>>>[Let's review that as a paradigm for specious reasoning: Mr. Edwards
>>>declares an activity illegal. To then espouse a contrary view is -
>>>well - illegal. The forum in which that dissent has been manifest is
>>>thereby illegal (guilt by association - which is the whole of the
>>>argument anyway), and hence endangered. The police shall descend,
>>>arrest the editors, destroy the presses, and burn the books. OK Wait!
>>>That is valid reasoning, valid fascist reasoning. That is the
>>>linchpin of fascism.] Whereas Mr. Edwards is free to calumn and
>>>vilify that of which he evidently knows nought.
>>>
>>>I have neither energy nor inclination to argue the merits of a cause
>>>with one whose fixed ideas have been so virulently expressed. I fall
>>>back on, both as refuge and in defense of, that which undefended shall
>>>surely vanish: our civil liberties. Getting together with friends to
>>>ride bikes, motorcycles, or cars is not currently illegal.
>>>
>>>I have been known to drive a car over the speed limit. I have been
>>>known to ride a bike at less than the speed limit. Apparently the
>>>later activity, or even tolerance of that activity, is a crime.
>>>
>>>With Restraint,
>>>
>>>Tom Wells
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 9/2/06, George Edwards <gedwards@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>Dear Friends:
>>>>
>>>>We received an email today from Gary Wheeler extolling the virtues of
>>>>Critical Mass Rides. Gary is wrong on all counts. Dead wrong.
>>>>Dangerously wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Critical mass rides are not expressions of the rights of cyclists:
>>>>Critical mass rides violate the law, insult the public, and harm all
>>>>cyclists by angering people against us. The spoiled children who take
>>>>part in them should be arrested and heavily fined, in my opinion. They
>>>>are people who have nothing important to do in their lives except
>>>>project their hostility onto the public roads.
>>>>
>>>>These immature scoff-laws are not advocating for cyclists rights, as
>>>>they claim. They never have been, and never will. They are, instead,
>>>>acting to negate the hard work done by many real cycling advocates over
>>>>many years to ensure that we all do have the right to "Share the Road".
>>>>Mike Wohl is quite correct that critical mass riders and all other
>>>>cyclists who deliberately and unnecessarily block motorists anger the
>>>>other road users, needlessly risk their own safety, and place other
>>>>cyclists in harms way.
>>>>
>>>>Let me make this clear: Critical mass rides are against the law.
>>>>Period. Advocating them in this forum is seriously irresponsible.
>>>>Gary's email has harmed the Gainesville Cycling Club.
>>>>
>>>>Bicyclists have the same rights and responsibilities on the road as
>>>>motor vehicles. Yes, responsibilities, which include obeying the
>>>>Florida Statutes as they apply to all vehicles. Critical mass rides are
>>>>against the law. To publish such a message on our webmail might be
>>>>interpreted by law enforcement officials and others to suggest the
>>>>Gainesville Cycling Club condones breaking the law. Such a position
>>>>would be in contradiction to our Articles of Incorporation and By-Laws,
>>>>and would expose our Board of Directors and Officers to actions for
>>>>negligence.
>>>>
>>>>No, critical mass rides can in no way be compared to the civil rights
>>>>movement. They are, instead, more like the tantrums thrown by
>>>>ill-behaved children who insist on having their own way.
>>>>
>>>>Gary should retract his statements and apologize to the GCC.
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>>George Edwards
>>>>President (Retired)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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