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Re: [TML] Instant city shadow@xxxxxx 21 Feb 2016 01:47 UTC

On 16 Feb 2016 at 15:43, Craig Berry wrote:

> Regarding time: Basically, unless two events share a "light cone" --
> that is, roughly speaking, the number of light-seconds separating
> them in distance is less than the number of seconds separating them
> in time -- those two events have no fixed ordering. Depending on
> relative speeds, different observers will see the two events
> happening in either order, or simultaneously. This makes it
> impossible to talk about "now" meaningfully for anywhere other than
> where you are.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity

Of course the mere *existence* of jump trashes this.

Pick any *two*:
1. relativity
2. FTL
3. strict *local* causality

(you can have *global* casuality without local causality. Basic
difference is between "causes alway precede events" and "in most
frames causes preced events")

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