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Subject: Re: Serials Holdings Lists -- 2 messages
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:35:43 -0600
From: "Pennington, Buddy" <buddy.pennington@rockhurst.edu>

Concerning subfield Z of the 856 field.  Can you have multiple 856
fields in
a single MARC record, 1 for each library that has access to that
database?
For example, say four different libraries have access to the same
electronic
journal through the same database, but they have different URLs with
different passwords.  Could you have four 856 fields in a single MARC
record, or would you have 4 separate MARC records?  Either way, wouldn't
that be confusing to the average user?

I agree that all your holdings information, including electronic
serials,
should be centralized into an OPAC, but until it becomes as easy for me
to
input 15,000 records for electronic serials into our OPAC as it is for
me to
create using MS Access and webpages, we will continue to use the second
method.  As I said before, I can create a database of electronic
holdings
(around 15,000, including our library's physical holdings) that is
accessible to our users via ASP pages in an afternoon.  I simply cannot
fathom how I can do the same thing in our OPAC.

Buddy Pennington
Acquisitions/Serials Librarian
Rockhurst University Greenlease Library
buddy.pennington@rockhurst.edu
#816-501-4143

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Subject: Re: Serials Holdings Lists -- Carol Morse
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:07:39 -0400
From: David Goodman <dgoodman@princeton.edu>
Reply-To: dgoodman@princeton.edu
Organization: Princeton University Biology Library

It seems to me that it is almost as  important to list the titles in
Proquest,
Ebscohost, etc
that you never received as the ones you cancelled in paper, and
certainly more
impt than listing the ones you still get in paper also. I hope you are
including only the ones that are true full text complete with the
figures,
rather than text-only pseudo-full text.
Btw, it is very easy to post WP files on the Web.
(This said, you're still ahead of us for Proquest etc)

--
David Goodman
Biology Librarian, and
Co-Chair, Electronic Journals Task Force
Princeton University Library
dgoodman@princeton.edu         http://www.princeton.edu/~biolib/
phone: 609-258-3235            fax: 609-258-2627

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Subject: Re: Serials Holdings Lists -- Puddy Pennington
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:51:55 -0500
From: "Fiander, P. Michelle" <mfiander@IUPUI.EDU>

Some librarys must use a print list due to an ineffective serials
module;
this is a reality that cannot be helped. But for those libraries which
have
a functioning serials module, it should be used. Remote patrons are
becoming
more and more common; the library as place is being circumvented by many
students and faculty members. Print serials lists make it difficult for
the
remote user to do research using a library's resources.  If a library
chooses to offer a print list, perhaps it should do so in addition to
entering records in the catalog. Electronic resources are developing
rapidly
and our users now have more places (via more interfaces) to look for
information than ever before. Given this, I don't think we need to
present
users with one more place to look. As to using a web page to provide a
list
of journals, it's a good alternative if no serials module exists and it
is a
fine idea to provide an alternative method of accessing resources. On
the
whole, however, if we do not enter all materials in our catalog, we run
the
risk of making the catalog an obsolete tool.

Re. not putting electronic records in the catalog in a consortial
situation,
why not use the $z of the 856 to identify the URL to authorized users?
That's what we're doing here--identifying URLs available to our
students, as
opposed to Bloomington, by putting IUPUI in the 856 $z. If records for
electronic materials are not entered in the catalog, I think we're on a
slippery slope to making the catalog obsolete....she said
again...repetitive, arent' I?

*********************************
Michelle Fiander
IUPUI University Library
755 West Michigan Street
Indianapolis, IN 46202

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Subject: Re: Serials Holdings Lists -- Carol Morse
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:48:53 -0600
From: "Pennington, Buddy" <buddy.pennington@rockhurst.edu>

I agree that it is easier to look up titles in a print list...if you
have
the print list in front of you.  What do you do about users who are not
in
the building?  When I used the library in college, I almost always did
my
citation searching at home and looked up the journals to see if they
were
available, before I went to the library.  I know a lot of users do this
as
well.

I don't like the idea of putting electronic information into the OPAC
because I do not find our OPAC's serials module easy to use, plus we are
in
a consortium and we don't want to put in records that link to databases
that
only our library users have access to (there are 25 libraries in the
consortium and they do not share database access).  I think the perfect
solution is a weblist on the library's homepage, which is accessible to
users at a computer, in or out of the building.  Also, if you keep the
serial information in MS Access, it is easy to download and maintain
lists
of serials in FT Databases.  All the vendors have files of their
holdings
that you can download and import into MS Access in seconds.

Buddy Pennington
Acquisitions/Serials Librarian
Rockhurst University Greenlease Library
buddy.pennington@rockhurst.edu
#816-501-4143

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Subject: Re: Serials Holdings Lists -- Christina Liggins
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:23:36 -0800
From: Carol Morse <MorsCa@wwc.edu>

Quite a number of years ago, a staff member entered our serials holdings
into  Word Perfect files.  Every year before school starts, we go in the
update the changes which have been entered in red ink in 2 of the
departmental copies.  There are other copies up in the lobby near the
computers and in our reading room.  It was very labor-intensive to begin
with, but not so bad to update it every year.  Last summer, we added
notations for full text for the journals we have that are FT from
EbscoHost.  We will do Proquest this summer.  We just don't worry about
listing the ones offered on full-text that we never got.  This has been
useful, because we dropped a few which were not used a lot in favor of
full-text.  So when someone complains, we point them to EbscoHost.  It's
easier to look in a notebook than to log onto the online catalog just to
see if we have a certain title.  We bind some of them in red buckrum or
put them in bright red plastic binders.  So they are unofficially called
"The Red Book."  Hope this helps.
Carol