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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Elsevier Trends Journals... -- David Goodman
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:09:52 -0600
From: "Pennington, Buddy" <buddy.pennington@ROCKHURST.EDU>

David,

A)  I didn't say binding the paper issues was unacceptable; I said it
would
cost us more money in time and labor.

B)  You would be right to say it is absurd to make libraries pay more
for 2
versions of a journal (1 loose and 1 prebound), but it is more absurd to
drop 1 of those versions and NOT reduce the subscription price at all.
That
is what we are talking about here.

C)  I too would prefer electronic to paper, but the online version
(available only with a print subscription) is $1308 (the paper alone is
$969).  You get the paper with the online subscription (which, by the
way,
is limited to a single user). And how do you 'keep' the electronic
issues
you have paid for when you cease your subscription to the journal 5
years
from now?  You would still have your paper issues if you bound them.

Buddy Pennington
Acquisitions/Serials Librarian
Rockhurst University Greenlease Library
buddy.pennington@rockhurst.edu
#816-501-4143

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Elsevier Trends Journals... -- David Goodman
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:22:24 -0600
From: John Lucas <jlucas@rowland.umsmed.edu>

Before the "Library" or "Reference" editioins came out, we were binding
the monthly issues anyway.

When we started receiving thes "prebound" volumes, we continued to bind
our monthly issues.  I found out that in the early volumes, any
supplements were left out.

Also I did not like the quality of the "prebound" volumes and have had
to send them to our binder to have either the covers reattached or new
covers put on.
I also have no problem with binding the monthly issues for our stacks.

Way back when they started these bound volumes, I thought it was just a
justification to raise their subscription rates more than normal.  As we
got used to it, it just became part of the 'normal' subscription.

Just my biased 2 cents worth.  Any opinions in the above message are
mine and do not reflect the policies or thoughts of the library I work
for or for the institution.

John Lucas

Serials Librarian
University of Mississippi Medical Center
2500 North State St
Jackson, MS 39216-4505

(PH) (601) 984-1277
(FAX)  ( 601) 984-1262

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Elsevier Trends Journals... -- Buddy Pennington
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:37:39 -0500
From: David Goodman <dgoodman@phoenix.princeton.edu>

I do not consider binding the monthly issues unacceptable as an archival
method. The quality isnt worse than many other bound paper journals.
Personally, I prefer electronic to paper for archival purposes. That
presumably either marks me as an insane optimist, or someone ahead of
his
time.
 I think it was absurd to make
libraries pay more to receive two copies of the same journal originally,
(after all how many other journals do we get in two copies, one unbound
and one prebound) and dropping the duplicate publication is one of
the few recent moves by Elsevier that I approve of.

David Goodman, Princeton University Biology Library
dgoodman@princeton.edu            609-258-3235

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Elsevier Trends Journals...
> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:46:15 -0600
> From: "Pennington, Buddy" <buddy.pennington@ROCKHURST.EDU>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> How are you dealing with the cessation of the compendia/reference
> volumes to
> the Trends journals without a subsequent discount in the subscription
> price?
> Without the reference volume (which we retain), we will need to either
> bind
> the paper issues or get it on microfiche (if that is possible).  Not
> only
> are we losing something and paying the same price as before, we are
> forced
> to pay more to retain it in an acceptable archival format.
>
> How many of you out there have expressed your feelings to Elsevier about
> this and how can I do it most effectively?  Also, are there any
> libraries
> out there considering canceling any of these titles because of this
> issue?
>
> Buddy Pennington
> Acquisitions/Serials Librarian
> Rockhurst University Greenlease Library
> buddy.pennington@rockhurst.edu
> #816-501-4143
>