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Re: Lord Sainsbury on the RCUK OA Proposal: Drubbing Peter to Pox Paul Sally Morris (ALPSP) 31 Oct 2005 18:26 UTC

Actually, there is a decline in the rate of launch of new OA journals;  look
at the start dates in the DOAJ list

Sally

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stevan Harnad" <harnad@ECS.SOTON.AC.UK>
To: <SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:54 PM
Subject: [SERIALST] Lord Sainsbury on the RCUK OA Proposal: Drubbing Peter
to Pox Paul

> BioMed Central (BMC) has written a very good reply to Lord Sainsbury's
> recent remarks about the RCUK policy proposal:
>
>    http://www.biomedcentral.com/openletter/20051027/
>
> BMC's point that it is untrue that there is a decline of interest
> in open access publishing is quite correct. Interest continues to rise.
>
> Minor point: Rather than cite over-reliance on Journal Citation Impact
> Factors
> (though there *is* over-reliance on Journal Citation Impact Factors)
> as a "level playing field" matter, disadvantaging new OA journal
> start-ups,
> my strategy would have been to stress the overwhelming evidence of the OA
> Citation Advantage at the author/article level, as demonstrated by the
> within-journal comparisons between what has and has not been made OA
> through
> self-archiving.
>
>    http://citebase.eprints.org/isi_study/
>    http://www.crsc.uqam.ca/lab/chawki/graphes/EtudeImpact.htm
>
> BMC's passage about ignoring the UK Select Committee's impartial advice
> on Open Access Self-Archiving is also very helpful and spot-on (though
> I rather wish -- again a very minor point -- that Matt had called it
> "Self-Archiving" rather than just "Archiving," which always makes it sound
> ambiguous as between OA provision itself and mere preservation-archiving).
>
> It might also have been helpful to point out to Lord S that 93% of the
> journals in the Romeo index have already given their green light to
> self-archiving, whereas it is Lord S who appears to be ambivalent about
> RCUK's proposal to mandate it. Lord S wrote:
>
>    Lord S: "what [RCUK] said effectively is we want you to publish it as
> soon
>    as you can, subject to reaching agreement with the publishers as
>    to when that would be. That seems to me to put researchers in an
>    impossible position, ie, every individual researcher has got to
>    start negotiating with the publisher as to what that means."
> http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmsctech/uc490-i/uc49002.htm
>
> I would say that the one nearer an impossible position is not the
> researcher, but Lord S, who has not understood the RCUK proposal; he has
> (yet again) conflated OA publishing (which is not what RCUK is proposing
> to mandate) with OA self-archiving (of *published* articles), which is
> what RCUK is proposing to mandate. Lord S is (yet again) drubbing Peter
> (OA self-archiving, green) to pox Paul (OA publishing, gold), as he did
> with the Select Committee proposal, which he also misunderstood:
>
>    "Drubbing Peter to pox Paul"
>    Thursday December 2, 2004
>    Guardian Education
>
> http://education.guardian.co.uk/higherfeedback/story/0,11056,1364556,00.html
>
> With about 93% of journals already green on OA self-archiving, Lord S is
> being
> more royalist than the sovereign, more catholic than the pope...
>
>    http://romeo.eprints.org/stats.php
>
> The following (*extremely* hirsute) passage from Lord S alas does not
> attest
> to a clear grasp of what is at issue, even when he endeavours to consider
> OA self-archiving separately:
>
>    Lord S: "The question of institutional repositories is a slightly
>    different one because I think there is a role for institutional
>    repositories [SH: So far so good], but in rather specific
>    circumstances, which is there is a whole series of fields of research
>    where the people like publishing their papers and what they are doing
>    before they send them to the journals, and this is a very good way
>    of communication between research communities. The question here
>    is what is the requirement or the desire for people to publish
>    them alongside publishing them in the actual journals? [SH: Lord S
>    seems here both to be conflating (1a) publishing with (1b) providing
>    access to the publication and (2a) pre-peer-review preprints with
>    (2b) post-peer-review postprints] I think that is for individual
>    universities to decide for themselves as to whether that is a cost
>    [SH: Cost? Cost of what? Cost to whom?] that they think is justified
>    subject to whatever agreement is reached with the publishers on what
>    is the proper thing to do."
> http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmsctech/uc490-i/uc49002.htm
>
> Agreement? 93% of journals have already given their blessing to author
> self-archiving. But so preoccupied is Lord S with the costs to and
> of the journal trade that he seems to be missing entirely the fact
> that the RCUK self-archiving mandate is meant to recover a needless
> ongoing cost to the British tax-payer, who funds RCUK research, namely,
> the loss of at least 50% (i.e., about £1.5 billion's-worth) of citation
> impact on the RCUK's annual £3.5 billion investment in research, a loss
> that occurs because currently the only researchers who can access a UK
> research finding are those whose institutions can afford access to the
> journal in which that finding happens to be published. Access denied to
> all the rest of its would-be users.
>
>    http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/28-guid.html
>    http://opcit.eprints.org/oacitation-biblio.html
>
> The RCUK self-archiving mandate is intended to make RCUK-funded research
> output accessible also to those would-be users who cannot afford
> the journal in which it happens to be published, so as to remedy the
> needlessly lost usage and impact of UK research findings, to maximise
> their uptake, usage, and applications, and thereby to maximise the
> benefits to British tax-payers resulting from the research that they
> have paid for.
>
> Where do journal-costs and publishing-models figure at all in this
> equation? The transaction seems to be primarily one between the British
> tax-payer and the British research community that it funds to produce
> research, research which is in turn intended to be used and applied for
> the benefit of the British tax-payer, not to serve as a product to be
> sold, as in a supermarket, for the benefit of some other party. Publishers
> certainly add value (and earn revenue) from this transaction too, but
> their retail side-trade surely is not what it is all about!
>
> Surely Lord S is not just our trade minister, but our science minister
> as well. As such, he should stop conflating trade matters with research
> matters, especially when it otherwise entails the tail wagging the dog.
>
> Stevan Harnad
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