Lucan wouldn't have had the bad rep yet when the other ImpGuard units overwhelmed the Illelish units.
He undoubtedly would've had the same 'legality' enacted upon him as he did upon Strephon.
But even if he had managed to seize the ImperialPalace I can't see The Moot endorsing a cold-blooded murder of that sort.
Nope. He would've found himself sitting on an isolated throne & little else.
Remember how it was explained that the 3I depended on each personage of note making a decision as to what was best?
Few would go with him (Dulinor).
Nope, better to just enact another 'legal' murder & move on.

p.s. I can just see it now; Dullinor standing front of the Moot waiting to see who's going to do to him what he just did to Strephon. Wouldn't take long. Heck, anyone can be emperor that way so maybe the entire Moot will just play 'shoot-em-up' until only one is left! But, wait, one of the servants decides, what the heck, to go for it  too & the merry-go-round just keeps on whirling.

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On Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 11:11:49 PM MST, xxxxxx@gmail.com <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:


The real world has examples of conquerors taking over polities with relative ease. In many cases, a population might not care too much if their day to day lives didn't change. And in many cases, with the right preamble moves, it would be possible to find disaffected nobles at Core that would work with and lobby for the new Emperor.

I do sort of agree that the Ilelish Fleet wasn't the winner, even if they secretly upped taxes or diverted funds and did a hidden build out (which they could have).

To that extent, I would still have said he brazened it out and stood on the legality of the right of assassination. Frankly, that particular legal stupidity was always a massive back door to dynastic upheaval. If he'd played the sincere, concerned, and willing to stand before the moot (after having run a quiet campaign in the background to get some supporters and to buy off some who were more amenable... and Lucan likely didn't have a lot of dedicated believers given his own morality... he might have been able to pull it off with balls and sway the public/sway or bribe the moot as his strategy.

In fleeing, he turned it into a military equation and the Illelish could not manage that, even if Lucan's actions through the fleets across the Core and other nearby sectors into a confusion about who rightfully should be issuing them orders...

TomB

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 1:28 AM Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:
I think what no one really has stated is that, despite whatever claims of 'legality' (which we're are currently hearing a lot of in RL) Dulinor was not only a traitor but also a cold-blooded murderer.
That was never going to go over very well, even if the Illelish Guard had been able to secure the Imperial Palace for him.
(The 'Battletech' universe, w/ Stefan Amaris, handled this sort of situation much, much better but still had way too much much contrivance to suit me altho since it was already in the distant (centuries gone by) past, it didn't really matter much.

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On Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 08:45:27 PM MST, xxxxxx@gmail.com <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:


Here, let me fix this for you:

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 7:47 PM Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:


On 18Jun2020 0304, Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com (via tml
list) wrote:

> One thing that really bothered me about The Rebellion was that a  > backwater domain like Illelish suddenly had all those enormous
fleets > to deploy.
the
only really large and effective fleets are probably the Solomani Rim
fleets (the Marches, Corridor, coreward Vland, and Daibei will have
experienced fleets, but probably not super-large ones), because it's the
heavily developed sector with ...
 
... an oppressed, captured people taken as a conquest of war and against the will of the citizens. Terra forever!

(Wait, is my inner Scot screaming 'Freeedoooooommmmmm!' now?)

Looking at sector populations, the Rebellion probably only lasted
because the Solomani jumped in and thus pinned the Solomani Rim fleet
down.

They had their own fish to fry and had been waiting for a long while.

In one campaign I ran decades back (when MT came out), the setting was the coreward trailing (closest to the Ley Sector) section of the Glimmerdrift Reaches and the Solomani were moving broadly against the Empire including up through the Imperial borders and into Glimmerdrift and Ley.

Aside: I made 'Project Phoenix' very real and many veteran soldiers with cyber augments were awoken from deep sleep (Solomani Confed had kept building more and more in the peace time to have a large ground presence when the time came). I sort of based these fighters off Timothy Zahn's Blackcollar series.
 
Then everything fragments, because the new Emperor not only has a
dodgy claim (survivable) but has just shown himself to be ineffective
(not survivable), so the fence-sitters go independent.

Yes, Strephon blew it by not reading Dulinor better and by not being willing to change enough without revolution so that he ensured it (and could not stop it even with a clone). [shades of the non-TU we live in...]

At those inflection points in history, you either have the power trying to stay together 'get its game on], make some major changes and to move directly and effectively to forestall a loss of overall confidence by showing the authority, leadership and success that one requires from great leaders. If that fails, the empire is doomed.

Of course the core problem was Dulinor's lack of guts. If he'd stayed in
Capital, sitting on the throne, he might've sold his coup. As it was, he
admitted he'd failed when he fled.

Yes, he was worried about his move failing because he'd be dead. He had the guts to pull the trigger, but hadn't thought out and accepted that the necessary follow through was to brazenly situation onself, make just claim, and then never back down. If he'd done that, he might have got public support - Strephon was far from perfect. A good PR campaign might have sold it and statements like:

'I did this for the good of all citizens of the Empire and none of us wants the chaos that lead to the Wars of the Flag from the bad old day. I will address the failings of Strephon, I will work with those nobles and leaders that want to focus on fixing what is broken, and the people of the Imperium, whom I serve, will be the victors and render harsh judgment on those who tear us further apart at this challenging time."

Or some such.

 

Works for me.

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Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com>

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