On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:06 PM Evyn Gutierrez <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
So many hours of my youth spent on a Fun-Reps station. Actually I frequently got stuck on the phone/distance line which was a manually tensioned line. A bunch of sailors on both ships doing a long distance tugofwar... Each station is basically a winch and some ground tackle, fuel is a 12 inch tube with fueling probe on the end. (Think of a aircrafts fueling probe)

Do you think, with modern sensors and so on, they could have a lot of that maintenance of tension stuff managed by a smart computer system with some human oversight? (To reduce crew required?)

What would they call it? UNREP - that could work. RAS not so much (but RIS could - Replenishment In Space.... I suppose RAS could be Replenishment Along Side).

I'm imagining:
An framed collapsible umbilical corridor with a built in clips and an electric (or manual) winch system (or mag accelerator/decelerator). That could move containerized stuff and people.

A separate umbilical (perhaps an unfolding automatic boom) that will handle the fuel.

Or would you try to go lock-to-lock?

If you planned on doing this kind of thing, your ship could have a big belly lock and the replenishment vessel could have same and you could hard dock those standard locks (belly to belly) and then your fuel transfer could even be from hard lines via a coupler so no hoses that could get torn.

Depends how fast you wanted to breakaway.

Certainly for ships being refilled by ships not in their fleet or that are civilian ships or some sort of multi-nation flotilla, you might still need the classic UNREP vs a hard dock.

I know during Katrina, Lt. Cdr. P. Pournelle's vessel (Jervis Bay trimaran on loan from Oz, thus oddly could not be called USS anything) did vertical reps with choppers, accepted cargo from piers, accepted cargo lowered from carriers, and did other replenishing moves (perhaps a classic side-by-side UNREP) when at sea. And the fact the vessel had low draught meant it had less chance of fouling and could go up rivers. Those vessels are pretty neat for unarmed (or lightly armed) naval cargo vessels. And fast too. I think they did New Orleans to Galveston and back in maybe 10 hours including loading up.
 

Cargo stations have a couple of wenches one for tension line and one cargo shuttle which uses cargo nets to transfer pallitized cargo.


Wenches to tension the line?

The female RCN members would brain you with a belaying pin if you called them wenches. ;)
 
Note one of the rites of passage for officers was to be transferred via a manual high line how wet the said officer gets in the process depends how well he is liked by his crew.

On July 13, 2020, at 07:16, Thomas RUX <xxxxxx@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi Rupert,
> On 07/13/2020 6:29 AM Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> On 14Jul2020 0108, Thomas RUX wrote:
> > Morning kaladorn,
> >
> > MgT HG 2e p. 47 "UNREP System: This is a system designed to allow for
> > replenishment and resupply of warships while in motion, and is vital
> > to the function of squadrons in unexplored or hostile systems. The
> > system includes fuel hoses, cargo transfer tubes, and other gear
> > designed to move ordnance and freight between two ships (though only
> > one of the ships is required to carry the UNREP system). Each ton
> > dedicated to the UNREP system allows transfer of 20 tons of fuel,
> > cargo, or ordnance every hour. An UNREP system costs MCr0.5 and
> > requires 1 Power per ton."
> >

> > Tom Rux

> I'd have thought the fuel would be transferable in parallel with the
> cargo and ordnance, seeing as fuel would presumably go through pipes and
> the rest would move via some kind of conveyor system.

The MgT text does not, in my opinion, provide enough information on whether or not fuel transfer was being done in parallel with cargo and ordnance or the equipment used to transfer the cargo and ordnance between ships during underway replenishment (UNREP).

My only experience with underway replenishment was on the USS Simon Lake AS-33 which used helicopters to transfer cargo while both ships where moving known as vertical replenishment or VERTREP.

However, USN boot camp, navy training films, and a number of movies and documentaries showing UNREPs have shown that fuel hoses, cargo, and ordnance being transferred at the same time. Cargo and ordnance are transferred using cables and winches.

I envision a similar system being used in MgT.

Tom Rux
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