Forgot this real world note re: French (the French Army).

My Grandfather on my dad's side joined underage then got to go to Europe with the 16th Highland Light Infantry when he was 17 (1916). He got to enjoy the Somme, some fun in the low countries, the pursuit to the Rhine, and the Occupation. His observation about various allied forces:

Gurkhas - great, very quiet, crawled out into no man's land with their kukris and either didn't come back or came back with German ears (got sent out of the line when ears on strings were grossing out other allied units)

French forces - by this time, they were a bit tired. They were the most enthusiastic when the whistle blew to advance, but on many occasions, my grandad's unit would advance, look over, and realize they had a totally exposed flank as the French were good for the first 15-20 minutes then they headed back to the lines without mentioning that. He felt they just didn't have the heart at that point for the fight. So he wasn't a great fan of an ally that would leave their flank open with disturbing frequency (because the Germans found ways to exploit that).

He did think well of some of the Belgians and others they fought alongside.

He was never happy around Germans but I don't think it was a bias or prejudice - we talked about it and he indicated he understood that the German in the trenches were just folks like his unit had in them and the wars were being led by high muckety-mucks on both sides and politicians who decided a war would occur. But I guess he had enough horrific experiences he just never liked to meet or be near Germans. There were no warm-downs, no counselling and they'd shoot you sometimes if you showed signs of PTSD.

In his later days when he started having 'Sundowner's Syndrome' (reliving memories at night) we got to hear about how he was trying to quiet his best friend in his unit as they tried to get back to British lines from a night recon. His friend was complaining he couldn't feel his arm. My grandad kept trying to get him to be quiet to avoid the patrols, but his friend was persistent. Finally grandad had to tell him "Jock, you can't feel your arm because it isn't there anymore." - apparently it had been sliced off by a shell fragment. Another time, his unit was advancing across the muck of no-man's land and arty came down on them. A round hit and dug in and blew up nearby and threw a ridiculous amount of mud up. My grandad was covered up to his neck and could not move. His nearest buddy was covered over his head. By the time guys got to them and got him and the other lad out, the other fellow had suffered brain damage. They sent him home and he was never the same (grandad visited him after the war... he, that fellow, and one other fellow were all he thought survived the war of 32 from their neighborhood who enlisted....).

Anyway if there's any obTrav here, I do wonder how the Imperium handles their traumatized soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. Do they just turf them out as broken? Do they say they'll be cared for and not allocate enough funds so it is really just lip service? Or do they do the job right? My guess is it may vary across the Imperium, but I suspect, like most militaristic societies, they say they value the soldiers - in war time, the soldiers get the gear and the glory, but in peace time, they (esp broken up ones) are a liability and expense. I have my doubts about good treatment of their retirees once active hostilities end.

I have an idea for using an old folks home on one of the fringe planets where a lot of poor vets have ended up in a scenario. I may just write that up. I have an idea of why you might need these old soldiers one more time...

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 4:11 AM Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:
Interesting, do you have any info wrt WWI conscription?

Also, in either war the Quebecois(sp?) would come in handy to liaise w/ the allied French forces.

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On Sunday, July 12, 2020, 11:56:37 AM MST, <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:


That's how I understood it, but that's not accurate it seems.


(Note there is a pop down navigation menu, so if you are having trouble seeing the article, look for a double caret to close the popdown menu or just maximize your browser).

It appears we did authorize registration for conscription for home defence (never used), and post D-Day, we did in fact conscript a few more than 12K conscripts of which only about 2600 or so ever got to the active theaters.

Quebec didn't want it, which made it a political football, but there was enough support (demand?) in the rest of Canada that the PM eventually caved.

That's two new things I've learned today (the other being that my friend who is waiting on his final bar exam to become a lawyer did not become a Notary Public yet and gets that capacity once he is called to the bar).

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 9:40 AM Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:
Well the USA only conscripted in wartime until 1940 saw the first peacetime draft & it was almost killed (passed by ONE vote in the 435 seat House of Reps!) in the summer of '41.
After WWII the draft was ended but then restarted in '48, I believe, & it ran until early 1973.
The UK kept their WWII draft going until , ISTR, 1964.
Interestingly, way back in the UseNet days, someone from Canada posted that they didn't have a draft during WWII cuz' of "bad memories related to the WWI draft".

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On Saturday, July 4, 2020, 02:52:48 PM MST, <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:


It's interesting that the Traveller model is not 'apply to a bunch of schools or find a job in essential areas or else get drafted'. Instead, it is 'try getting a job somewhere, and when you blow the first one... the government steals you!'. <rolls eyes>

Even peace-time work can lead odd places. I was a tech nerd and I joined an infantry unit because several of my friends from university (games club) were infanteers at the local reserve unit. So thus I became. I was so green I had no idea there was more than one trade and the intake NCM was all 'You want to be infantry, don't you? Of course you do!' so I wasn't going to say much. I'd have been a much better fit to be trying to get into a support role like weapons maintenance or going to the local comms/EW unit which would have been right up my alley (I even studied Russian in uni).

Drafts, on the other hand, make for less effective militaries - or at least that's the theory of most advanced democracies (not all - the Swiss and Israelis and Swedes have national service). On the other hand, the UK, the US, and Canada don't. It would never have flown with Quebec in Canada and now with our cultural diversity, a lot of subsections of the society would have concerns about it and where they might be sent.

Usually, military reserves can be filled (to peacetime levels) with volunteers and a few retired regular force NCMs and officers. It's a good way to make some money for school if you aren't in the middle of a war.

And even if involuntary drafts make sense. they'd still only typically run half or one whole Traveller hitch (a Swedish friend was in their Air Force unit - kind of like Rangers - that worked in teams of 7 to 11 members with a dog - that were let loose in the rough lands around airbases if their was a crisis as they expected to have to hunt and kill Spetsnaz infiltrators - so they learned tracking, small unit combat, comms, animal handling, etc - 1 or 2 years training, a couple of years of active duty with the teams).

After that, you should have a choice.... nothing in the real world precludes me from applying for 20 careers and prior failures don't impact my chances.

Again, if you want to allow people to build towards what they want.

If your goal is to place something in front of them that they will be challenged to do something with, that's another perspective.




On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:00 PM Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:
On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 04:19:05 PM MST, <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:37 PM Frank Filz <xxxxxx@mindspring.com> wrote:

I had not seen “pick your skills” until the past few years poking around the boards. No one who has played my games has expected to pick their skills (well, I suppose some might have, since my gaming is either play by post or Roll20, I don’t require people roll their characters up in front of me).

 

For the way I play, I don’t think I’d like having players pick skills, it would seem to lead to too much optimization.


Counterpoint: For most folk, at least some sizable part of our skills are a result of choices we made (sometimes the choices were 'learn this or not eat' but still a choice). Some people in our world are really thinly focused (others are all over the map).

Funnily enough, my main group had one or two that would focus on a key skill, but all the rest typically wanted 1 or 2 level 2+ and 1s and 0s in a lot of other skills. This was in the generous brownie-point enhanced MT expanded character generation. They could have built skill-4 and skill-5 focused characters with fewer skills, but after playing long enough, you tend as a player to want to be of general utility in almost every situation a) because you can't always tell which PCs will end up in the soup (so good to have broad skill ranges) and b) because they you can participate in more scenes effectively (vs. kind of watching from the sidelines).

My own self portrait:
Electronics-2 (college)
Computers-3 (college plus 15 years of work)
Mechanics-1 (my dad, spare time since)
Languages-2 (bits of many, some idea of parts of linguistics) (interest, some in university - French and Russian)
Physics-1 (university)
Chemistry-0 (university but not my best subject)
Brawling/Martial Arts-1 (5 years of 2-4 times a week 3 hour training sessions - karate and aikido)
Wheeled Vehicle-1 (owned a sports car for 13 years, didn't die)
Small Watercraft-1 (basic cruising, intermediate cruising training and practice from the CYA)
Handgun-1 (pistol club member, have a friend that's a gun guy)
Tactics-1 (wargaming, infantry training, studying spec ops and SWAT for a long time as a hobby)
Rifle-0 (infantry training, gun guy friend)
Small Blade-0 (interest ongoing in knife fighting)
Instruction-1 (taught at a college, learned how to do it right first)
Liaison-0 (contractor working with many different clients and government agencies)
Medical-1 (emergency first aid, CPR, lots of wound treatment practice, grew up with a nurse for a mother, looking at full EMT training)
Navigation-1 (coastal navigation course and grounside nav training)
Recon-0 (infantry training, paintball, and just generally learning how to be quite and watch in the wilds)
Stealth-1 (known for being sneaky - co-workers stuck me with 'the savage' because I constantly scared them just by my silent approach, plus military training, plus paintball)
Robotics-0 (college, pneumatic and electrical industrial robots and logic controllers)
Steward-1 (3 meals from scratch per day for a long time plus lots of practice and reading/watching chef shows)
Survival-0 (military training, survival training)
History-1 (major hobby focus, courses during my university time, study of classics from various eras, etc)

Of those, I chose to go to the schools (uni and college), to join the infantry reserve, to have a wide range of interests and friends with military, police, medical, and tech friends, worked in tech programming for many domains/projects, interested in sailing and going offshore (Lake Ontario, not the oceans). Interest in history pursued, ditto Steward. I chose to teach courses. I chose to go to gun ranges.

I can't think of much that I was just forced to take or that randomly came up. So pick the skills might not be crazy given that, though I have never done it as a GM or player.

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I think MM's experience with the 'draft' system in the USA may have influenced him here.

I heard so many a "stranger than truth" personal stories about how draftees wound up with their primary MOS that I finally had to believe them.
However, remember this, the 'draft' was only for 2 years active duty plus some years of reserve obligation that so many guys just blew off that it really was optional.
If a guy 're-upped' (3 years min for Army) then there almost always would be an option to apply (take a test) for something that you picked.

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