There might be relation ship to the rank of the commanding officer aboard USN ships.

During WWII, a LtCmdr would command subs & escorts, while a Cmdr would command destroyers & a Capt the rest.
Hence LtCmdr was a 'commander'.

Since then, I believe that the minimum ranks have been raised (Tom Rux?) as I believe that for attack subs it's now a Cmdr while the 'boomers' have a Capt.

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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 08:59:50 AM MST, <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:


Didn't know you kept the 'Lance' Corporal (also Lance Sergeant or not?).

Our Master Corporals are above Corporals where I believe the Lance Corporal is below.

Our CWO2s get to wear officer-ish gear (not quite identical) but I don't ever recall anyone saying they got 'Sir'd' but honestly I don't think I've seen one up close (privates hide form such encounters... lol) and so it may be they are.

Our promotion rates are similarly slower than US rates.

My godson's dad was on an exercise on the West Coast with the USN and a PO was asking him for some help reading a 'map'. Rob was puzzled because nautical 'maps' are 'charts' and he was surprised this PO couldn't read one at least somewhat... but Rob did help him understand tide tables (which obviously another USN member could not as they grounded a small vessel in Canadian waters because of that failure... and had to leave someone aboard because there was at least in theory the opportunity otherwise for some RCN folk to claim the vessel.

Our MasterCorporals were leading our sections with a Corporal helping out (section 2ic). The Platoon Lt. and the Platoon Sgt. handled the platoon (the Sgt was 2ic and usually stayed with the weap det (heavy weapons section)).

However, US is not the only place with some interesting 'rank' related choices....

My godson's dad got sent to Afghanistan to do CIMIC/CMA work but they found out he could plan and got pulled to Op Plan at Kandahar AF. The logic of the Nederlanders were 'if you're going to work at an HQ, you need to be a major' so everyone there *even those who had been formerly low ranking NCOs* had been breveted to major. My godson's dad's frustration was Lieutenant Commander (the Navy equivalent) is different than in the RN or USN - in Canada, a Lieutenant Commander is deemed a 'command rank' and it requires more boards and so on (in USN and RN, that tough step is for 0-6 Captain in their navies).  So he took a long time where he was junior to Nederlands people who had been Lts or even non-coms before they were sent to HQ and breveted to majors.

And then there was the 'national rules of engagement' (or non-engagement mostly). Germans, French and Nederlanders were fairly casualty averse (due to the big political blowback back home) so they got the easier sectors but did not leave the firebases much when contact was made with the foes and they didn't pursue. The Canucks, US, and Brits would pursue. This got the stay-at-homes the tongue-in-cheek name "FOBbits" (Forward Operating Base hobbits basically - stay home and comfy and get breakfast, second breakfast, elevensies, etc...).

TomB

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:13 AM Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:


On 28Jul2020 1438, Evyn Gutierrez wrote:
>
> In the USN life as a Zero and life as a grunt are very different. One
> of the reasons Mavericks are such hardasses. While Warrant Officers
> aren't. (Hint there are No ring-knocker warrants, though they probably
> get along well with your Master Chief)
>
In the NZ military a warrant officer is a (very) senior NCO, and while
the Navy and (most) Air Force WOs are technical specialists they still
came up from the ranks. In the Army WO2s fill all kinds of
administrative positions, including such roles as Company Sergeant Major
(CSM, demi-gods), while WO2s fill the higher such roles, including RSM
(gods) and Sergeant Major of the Army (greater god). WO2s in the army
get to dress in an officer's uniform (brown shoes, different belt, etc.)
and are addressed as 'Sir'.

Everyone not an officer and above OR-2 (on NATO terms) is an NCO, which
means every non-commissioned person not a private in the Army, and
everyone not an Ordinary Rate or Able Rate in the Navy, and everyone not
an Aircraftsman or Leading Aircraftsman in the Air Force. Able/Leading
means technically skilled, but no command authority. Note that this
means that Lance Corporals *are* NCOs, though the rank is appointed, and
so a commanding officer can demote Lance Corporals without the Court
Martial required to demote a Corporal (or above).

We used to get a wee bit grumpy when working with US military, because
they promote junior enlisted much faster than we do, and having to defer
to a Sergeant (OR-5) with a few years in who is a fire-team leader when
you're a Corporal (OR-4) who is a section commander (a section is
equivalent to a squad, so 8-12 soldiers) with 6+ years experience
doesn't always sit well. OTOH, our Sergeants outrank the US'.

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Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com>

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