Hello again Craig Berry,On Feb 11, was when I chimed in guessing that the ship had miss-jumped. My back tracking looks like the guess may have been the first, of course I probably missed an earlier posting.Tom R
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That came up by consensus on the list as we tried to work backward to find a set of circumstances under which a Tigress might become lost and stay that way for long enough to create the situation described.
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 7:59 PM, <tmr0195@comcast.net> wrote:
Hello Craig Berry,Here is the initial post:"I was just thinking of a tigress falling onto a low tech planet with power plants running and a hose into some local water to keep it that way. Maybe after the crash landing and before the crew died of some poison from the ship they managed to get it all running and set up. So then the natives find it and turn it into the ultimate city.Have not thought further but thought it might be a good adventure seed idea.Love to hear where you would take it.
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Douglas E Knapp, MSAOM, LAc."I can not find any indication that the Tigress-Class Dreadnaught miss-jumped during wartime. Of course there is no mention of how the ship got to the system that the low tech planet she crash landed on. I think I may have started the idea of a miss-jump.Tom R
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Again, we're talking wartime, and naval vessels. Insurance isn't a factor. :) When you're operating lightyears away from friendly space, there are plenty of ways to disappear without a trace (or rather, without a trace that your side will have any ability to find).
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Greg Chalik <mrg3105@gmail.com> wrote:
Craig, I'm sure everyone is aware of the Malaysian Boeing off West Australian coast more than a year ago, and how the potential crash AREA was identified from the a/c engines transponder though the a/c wasn't intended to be flying in that direction, and the engine manufacturer is not usually called upon during searches.
Human ingenuity I think is a far stronger and more core concept in sci-fi than anything MM might have written.
I do not accept the possibility of TL15 or even 11 of loosing spaceships, at least so completely, if only because no one would insure vessels. Substantive measures to improve crew selection and construction standards were taken as a result of the emergence of shipping insurance, just after the Napoleonic wars.
Cheers
Greg
On 14/02/2016 5:40 PM, "Craig Berry" <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:Oh, absolutely! Moving through friendly space, warships would be tracked in a dozen different redundant ways. Even in unfriendly space, tricks like leaving stealth buoys, using couriers intelligently, and so forth will minimize the odds of a ship going entirely missing. My only point is that there are lots of wartime scenarios in which you could lose a ship (or a whole fleet) and have no clear idea of its fate for many years, if ever.
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They can and would implement something as close to that as possible. I gave current, real-world terms. In Traveller, they would naturally have to modify the idea some. For example, whenever in a system with xboat service, transmit, prior to jump, your movement report. If you don't show up, it helps narrow down where and when you went missing. If there's no xboat, is there a Scout base? An IN base? Or a military data drop on planet?Yes, it won't work *as well* as it does today, but that's no excuse for throwing up hands and declining to even try to apply some risk mitigation.
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The Imperium CANNOT DO THIS. The most recent information the IN can possibly have of a ship that is not in a particular system is 7 days old. That increases by 7 days for every two parsecs (presuming the use of J2 Scouts/Couriers for comms) farther away the ship is. And they cannot get something *back* to where the ship was supposed to be except in the same time.The existence of jump lag prevents this kind of close command and control; HQ might be *months* behind the front lines.
The absolute worst case of a misjump is 36 parsecs, which is 107 days away from where a ship is supposed to be at J2.
That’s roughly 4 months.
The IN operates like Admiral Nelson’s Navy, not Admiral Halsey’s.
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