T5 Sophont List Donald McKinney (12 Aug 2014 01:03 UTC)
Fogbank Kurt Feltenberger (12 Aug 2014 12:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank Bruce Johnson (12 Aug 2014 14:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank Phil Pugliese (12 Aug 2014 16:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank Bruce Johnson (12 Aug 2014 16:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank Jeffrey Schwartz (12 Aug 2014 16:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank Phil Pugliese (12 Aug 2014 18:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank shadow@xxxxxx (12 Aug 2014 16:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank Bruce Johnson (12 Aug 2014 17:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank Bruce Johnson (12 Aug 2014 17:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank Jeffrey Schwartz (12 Aug 2014 19:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank David Shaw (12 Aug 2014 18:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank Bruce Johnson (12 Aug 2014 20:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank Richard Aiken (13 Aug 2014 08:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Fogbank Bruce Johnson (12 Aug 2014 14:57 UTC)

Re: [TML] Fogbank Phil Pugliese 12 Aug 2014 18:20 UTC

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On Tue, 8/12/14, Bruce Johnson <xxxxxx@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [TML] Fogbank
 To: "xxxxxx@simplelists.com" <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
 Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2014, 9:14 AM

 On Aug
 12, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Phil Pugliese (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
 wrote:

 >
 > I experienced this sort of thing quite a
 few times over the 30 years that I worked in IT.
 >
 > People wouldn't
 adequately document things &/or would leave & take
 docs w/ them.
 >
 >
 Even after all such info was supposed to be electronically
 recorded, it seemed that quite a lot was not.
 >
 > Hence, the
 'Wheel' had to be re-invented, over & over.

 IT, as a field in general is
 horrid at documentation; then again, IT seems to operate as
 though ‘Uhh, Houston, we have a problem’ as Normal
 Operating Procedure.

 I
 would hope that engineering R&D would work more along
 the lines of chemistry R&D, where keeping a good,
 readable notebook is an expected task, particularly in
 scaling to production processes.

 On the gripping hand, Oak Ridge may never
 really gotten out of it’s "Manhattan Project” 24/7
 “we’re fighting an existential threat" mindset;
 that’s a powerful and hard-to-change institutional
 culture.

 "Get the job
 done, never mind the paperwork!"

 --
 Bruce Johnson
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My observation is that, in general, sloppy/laziness seems to have advanced significantly over the course of my life. In all fields.

"Get it fixed, NOW!" was the usual phrase I encountered.

I remember one time my supervisor wanted some others, I already knew how, to learn a procedure by observation as they would probably have to perform it in the future.

He was told, "there's no time (would've taken <5 mins) to get them in here"!

I'm not sure if/when they ever learned it!
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