--- On Tue, 8/12/14, Phil Pugliese <xxxxxx@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Phil Pugliese <xxxxxx@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [TML] Fogbank
> To: xxxxxx@simplelists.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2014, 11:20 AM
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 8/12/14, Bruce Johnson <xxxxxx@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [TML]
> Fogbank
>  To: "xxxxxx@simplelists.com"
> <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
>  Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2014, 9:14 AM
>
>
>  On Aug
>  12, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Phil Pugliese (via tml
> list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
>  wrote:
>
>  >
>
>  > I experienced this sort of thing
> quite a
>  few times over the 30 years that I
> worked in IT.
>  >
>  >
> People wouldn't
>  adequately document
> things &/or would leave & take
>  docs
> w/ them.
>  >
>  >
>  Even after all such info was supposed to be
> electronically
>  recorded, it seemed that
> quite a lot was not.
>  >
>
> > Hence, the
>  'Wheel' had to be
> re-invented, over & over.
>
>  IT, as a field in general is
>
> horrid at documentation; then again, IT seems to operate
> as
>  though ‘Uhh, Houston, we have a
> problem’ as Normal
>  Operating
> Procedure.
>
>  I
>  would hope that engineering R&D would work
> more along
>  the lines of chemistry R&D,
> where keeping a good,
>  readable notebook is
> an expected task, particularly in
>  scaling
> to production processes.
>
>
> On the gripping hand, Oak Ridge may never
>
> really gotten out of it’s "Manhattan Project”
> 24/7
>  “we’re fighting an existential
> threat" mindset;
>  that’s a powerful
> and hard-to-change institutional
>  culture.
>
>
>  "Get the job
>  done, never mind the paperwork!"
>
>  --
>  Bruce
> Johnson
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 My observation is that, in general,
 sloppy/laziness seems to have advanced significantly over
 the course of my life. In all fields.

 "Get it fixed, NOW!" was the usual
 phrase I encountered.

 I
 remember one time my supervisor wanted some others, I
 already knew how, to learn a procedure by observation as
 they would probably have to perform it in the future.

 He was told, "there's
 no time (would've taken <5 mins) to get them in
 here"!

 I'm not
 sure if/when they ever learned it!
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