Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (07 Oct 2014 14:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (07 Oct 2014 15:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Craig Berry (07 Oct 2014 16:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Peter Berghold (07 Oct 2014 17:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (07 Oct 2014 18:22 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Craig Berry (07 Oct 2014 18:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (07 Oct 2014 19:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (07 Oct 2014 19:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (07 Oct 2014 23:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (08 Oct 2014 12:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (08 Oct 2014 20:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (08 Oct 2014 21:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Kelly St. Clair (08 Oct 2014 21:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (08 Oct 2014 22:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (08 Oct 2014 21:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Kurt Feltenberger (08 Oct 2014 22:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (08 Oct 2014 23:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (08 Oct 2014 23:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? tmr0195@xxxxxx (09 Oct 2014 00:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (08 Oct 2014 21:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (09 Oct 2014 01:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (09 Oct 2014 05:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (09 Oct 2014 17:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Kelly St. Clair (09 Oct 2014 02:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (09 Oct 2014 08:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (09 Oct 2014 09:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (09 Oct 2014 20:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (09 Oct 2014 20:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Richard Aiken (10 Oct 2014 10:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Richard Aiken (15 Oct 2014 00:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Evyn MacDude (09 Oct 2014 20:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Joseph Hallare (09 Oct 2014 23:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (09 Oct 2014 17:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (09 Oct 2014 18:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Grimmund (09 Oct 2014 20:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (09 Oct 2014 17:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (09 Oct 2014 13:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Kelly St. Clair (07 Oct 2014 21:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Craig Berry (07 Oct 2014 21:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Kelly St. Clair (07 Oct 2014 21:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Evyn MacDude (07 Oct 2014 22:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Richard Aiken (08 Oct 2014 13:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Bruce Johnson (07 Oct 2014 18:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (07 Oct 2014 18:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (07 Oct 2014 18:43 UTC)

Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Grimmund 09 Oct 2014 20:29 UTC

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Jeffrey Schwartz
<xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> According to the memoirs of a survivor of the sinking of the
>>>IJN Yamato in WWII, the USN dive bombers strafed the BB
>>>as they pulled out (he said they were so close that he could
>>>see the faces of the rear gunners screaming at them) & that
>>>the strafing had a significant impact. Mainly casualties, of course
>>> & not affecting the structural integrity of the ship.
>>
>>
>> Yeah.  But I don't particularly see that translating into Traveller terms.
>>
>
> TNE had this thing about breaking the ship into sections for what
> would get hit...
>
> Maybe a chart of "surface-ness" ?
> So things that have to be on the outer hull and are hard to armor are noted?

YMMV.

However, WW2 surface combatants had a LOT of stuff mounted on the
decks.  Heck, a lot of wet navy ships still do.

However, from what I can see, most modern navy combat ships have most
of the crew under cover, most of the time.

And CWIS turrets to prevent you from getting that close.

But in a vacuum, I expect pretty much everybody is inside the hull,
under the armor.

An individual fighter might be able to scrub some turrets, but that's about it.

And I second the notion that there are two obvious positions here:

1.  The rules make fighters useless against larger, well armored
ships, and the mulitple examples of ship designs carrying fighters are
faulty designs.

2.  The rules are broken because fighters are useless against larger,
well-armored ships, despite multiple examples of ships carrying large
numbers of fighters.

(And the original High Guard apparently allowed massed fighters to
count as a higher weapon factor, while the revised book apparently
dropped that rule.)

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