Re: K'kree vs Hiver, was Re: [TML] GMing Manipulations Phil Pugliese 15 May 2016 18:16 UTC
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But..... What the clubs *compete* against each other? Sorta' like what is seen 'tween IvyLeague schools? Or perhaps more seriously? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 5/15/16, Richard Aiken <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: K'kree vs Hiver, was Re: [TML] GMing Manipulations To: "tml" <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> Date: Sunday, May 15, 2016, 10:21 AM The Hivers do - sorta - centrally coordinate manipulations. In order to be recognized as a manipulation, the effort has to be registered in advance with one of the Manipulation Clubs. Presumably, these coordinate their records with one another. Therefore, it would be possible - at least after the fact - to track the various correlations and cross-corelations. On May 15, 2016 11:17 AM, "Thomas Jones-Low" <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote: On 5/15/2016 9:52 AM, Grimmund wrote: On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Thomas Jones-Low <xxxxxx@gmail.com <mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com>> wrote: 2) The K'kree reject the Hiver peace treaty. The upgraded Hiver navy begins reconquer the Hiver border worlds, then advanced into K'kree space. Their sense of parental caring toward the K'kree client races pushes them to conquer the whole of K'kree space. And the K'kree become just another Federation member. Multiple hiver manipulators bid on "manipulation rights" to individual K'Kree planets (or continents, or settlements) with an overall goal of 'civilizing' the K'Kree, manipulating them toward tolerance of others and reducing their cultural tendency to stomp anything threatening. This is the thing I've never seen. The Hiver don't have a centralized (or even decentralized) coordination point for their Manipulations. So if you have 5000 potential manipulators all attempting to prove their latest theory of social change, do the effect cancel or amplify? I'm guessing that in most cases the effect cancel. The effort of the Manipulator generates a minor, localized change with some improvements. Enough to provide the much sought after "Manipulator" title. But not enough to effect a sweeping wide area change. On the other hand, if you have all N of them working toward a similar goal, even if the details differ, there are going to be unintended consequences. I have no doubt that over the last 3000 years the Hiver have been doing exactly that. The question is, to what effect? The K'kree haven't restarted the war. They still hate/fear G'nakk, but not enough to gather a huge fleet and go on a sector wide stomping expedition. This counts as a success, in some definition of success. From the Hiver perspective, problem solved. The K'kree perspective is, of course, wildly different. But they don't talk about it with strangers. -- Thomas Jones-Low Work: xxxxxx@softstart.com Home: xxxxxx@gmail.com ----- The Traveller Mailing List Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml Report problems to xxxxxx@simplelists.com To unsubscribe from this list please goto http://archives.simplelists.com ----- The Traveller Mailing List Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml Report problems to xxxxxx@simplelists.com To unsubscribe from this list please goto http://www.simplelists.com/confirm.php?u=EwREIRgLK8vaUEhNlnoNdSGKwnjoID8a