Also, as I understand it, passengers take meals with the ship's officers & thus get more of a chance to interact directly with them.

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On Wed, 5/6/15, Thomas Jones-Low <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [TML] Finding transport
 To: xxxxxx@simplelists.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 2:19 PM

     I think a better
 analogy would be a cruise ship vs tramp steamer. You can
 book
 a cruise on a large scale reputable
 ship and go around the Caribbean or the
 Mediterranean. Or you can book passage on a
 smaller tramp freighter (with the
 attendant
 questions of food and hygiene) for a week on the same
 cruise.

     There are
 not a lot of people who choose the latter, but the ones that
 do are
 the more adventurous type and claim
 it was the best time ever. Crew was great,
 food was awesome (and local), got to see sights
 the tourists miss, etc.

     I do think the tramp freighter
 passengers are not your normal people, but I
 don't think they're quite as off the
 deep end as you imply.

 On
 5/6/2015 4:55 PM, Craig Berry wrote:
 > I
 think passengers would have to be pretty desperate for
 overbooking to lead to
 > a Free Trader
 trip. Transpose it to the current world: You've just
 been bumped
 > off your flight from Los
 Angeles to San Jose, and a disreputable looking
 > character sidles up to you and says
 "I have a Piper Cub, ready to go...same
 > price as they were going to charge
 you." And then consider that in the Traveller
 > scenario, you'd be stuck with this
 person and who knows what kind of other crew
 > members for a full week, dealing with
 whatever they consider adequate food and
 > hygiene.
 >
 > Some passengers are in fact going to be
 that desperate (or crazy, or
 >
 adventurous), but I think most of us would choose to wait
 for the next regular
 > commercial flight
 in both cases, but especially the Traveller case.
 >
 > On Wed, May 6, 2015
 at 1:48 PM, sjard <xxxxxx@emerytelcom.net
 > <mailto:xxxxxx@emerytelcom.net>>
 wrote:
 >
 > 
    Also consider that here on earth today, almost
 every large passenger service
 > 
    overbooks. Airlines, cruise ships, buses, etc.
 Usually this doesn't cause
 > 
    problems because they overbook by the margin
 of no-shows. But sometimes
 > 
    everyone shows up, and then something has to
 be figured out.
 >
 > 
    In Traveller, that's where I see the major
 passenger pool for Free Traders
 > 
    coming from. Those who don't want to wait
 too long to travel, but have been
 > 
    bumped due to overbooking.
 >
 >     That,
 or people like me. If given the choice and time isn't an
 issue, I'll
 >     take
 the train (several days) instead of flying (couple of
 hours), simply
 >     because
 I like that mode of travel.
 >
 >     On 5/6/2015 2:33 PM, Craig
 Berry wrote:
 >>     I
 agree that "big trade" is the only reasonable
 model. The bush pilot or
 >> 
    charter service analogy is spot on. Between
 major hubs, essentially all
 >> 
    traffic goes on scheduled liners (akin to
 commercial jet traffic in the
 >> 
    modern developed world). Out in the less
 populated "wilds", there might be
 >>     occasional scheduled
 runs, but there's a lot more room for entrepreneurs
 >>     to nab what little
 passenger traffic exists. And even between hubs,
 you'll
 >> 
    occasionally find a passenger who simply
 can't wait a day for the Tukera
 >>     liner; she needs to be
 in the ducal court at Mora in 7 days, not 8. And
 >>     that sure sounds like
 an adventure seed right there. :)
 >>
 >> 
    On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Bruce
 Johnson
 >>     <xxxxxx@pharmacy.arizona.edu
 <mailto:xxxxxx@pharmacy.arizona.edu>>
 wrote:
 >>
 >>
 >>         > On May 6,
 2015, at 11:57 AM, Richard Aiken <xxxxxx@gmail.com
 >>         <mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com>>
 wrote:
 >>     
    >
 >>     
    > On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Ethan
 McKinney
 >>     
    <xxxxxx@gmail.com
 <mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com>>
 wrote:
 >>         >
 The actual number of hulls going back and forth isn't
 going to
 >>     
    increase at the same rate as the increase in
 passenger traffic because
 >>     
    the size of the hulls is also going to
 increase with traffic volume.
 >>   
      >
 >>     
    >
 >>     
    > Wouldn't there also be jump lag
 involved? E.g. it would take time
 >> 
        for it to become known that Route X
 needed more passage space, while
 >> 
        Route Y didn't need as much.
 >>         >
 >>
 >>     
    Again, we’re running into the issue of is
 the OTU small trade or big
 >>     
    trade.
 >>
 >>         All of the trade
 rules in all the supplements are oriented towards PC
 >>         scale ships; ie:
 free traders.
 >>
 >>         If there’s a
 LOT of trade between systems in the OTU, then pretty much
 >>         any passage you
 ant is available, presuming the systems in question
 >>         are large enough
 to warrant the traffic. Akin to airline travel in the
 >>         US today. The
 PC-scale stuff is equivalent small single aircraft bush
 >>         pilots or
 charters, which is all well and fine, but I don’t hire
 a
 >>         bush pilot
 to fly between NY and London.
 >>
 >>         If not, travel
 on small PC-scale ships is all there is.
 >>
 >>     
    (and I contend that the OTU simply could not
 exist with so little
 >>     
    trade between systems).
 >>
 >>     
    --
 >>     
    Bruce Johnson
 >>     
    University of Arizona
 >>         College of
 Pharmacy
 >>     
    Information Technology Group
 >>
 >>     
    Institutions do not have opinions, merely
 customs
 >>
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