Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (20 Jul 2020 05:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Jeffrey Schwartz (20 Jul 2020 12:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (20 Jul 2020 14:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Jeffrey Schwartz (20 Jul 2020 14:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (20 Jul 2020 15:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (20 Jul 2020 16:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Jeffrey Schwartz (20 Jul 2020 17:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (20 Jul 2020 20:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (20 Jul 2020 20:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Jeffrey Schwartz (20 Jul 2020 21:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Greg Nokes (20 Jul 2020 21:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (20 Jul 2020 21:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Greg Nokes (20 Jul 2020 21:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Jeffrey Schwartz (20 Jul 2020 21:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (20 Jul 2020 21:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Jeffrey Schwartz (20 Jul 2020 21:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Phil Pugliese (27 Jul 2020 01:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (21 Jul 2020 05:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (22 Jul 2020 22:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (23 Jul 2020 11:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (23 Jul 2020 15:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (23 Jul 2020 19:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space David Shaw (23 Jul 2020 19:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (23 Jul 2020 23:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space David Shaw (24 Jul 2020 07:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (24 Jul 2020 12:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Alan.Peery@xxxxxx (24 Jul 2020 15:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Thomas Jones-Low (23 Jul 2020 19:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (23 Jul 2020 20:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (21 Jul 2020 05:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (20 Jul 2020 17:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (21 Jul 2020 05:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (21 Jul 2020 05:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (21 Jul 2020 07:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (21 Jul 2020 07:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (28 Jul 2020 19:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jul 2020 20:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Catherine Berry (23 Jul 2020 19:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space kaladorn@xxxxxx (23 Jul 2020 23:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Catherine Berry (27 Jul 2020 05:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Richard Aiken (27 Jul 2020 07:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Thomas RUX (27 Jul 2020 12:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Catherine Berry (27 Jul 2020 14:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Thomas RUX (27 Jul 2020 18:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (21 Jul 2020 03:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] Travel in real space Vareck Bostrom (23 Jul 2020 20:59 UTC)

Re: [TML] Travel in real space Jeffrey Schwartz 20 Jul 2020 12:42 UTC

I think this is what you're wanting.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

Go to page 1-8 (page 30 in the file)
It's got time, duration of burn, and delta-v in feet per second

TransLunarInjection (breaking Earth Orbit and heading for the moon) is
a 5:20 minute burn  (320 seconds) for 10,451 fps.
I call that about 3185 m/s over 320sec , or right about 1g
Note this is the last of the fuel in the last stage of the Saturn
launch vehicle, and they dump it after this.

Lunar Orbit Injection is just shy of 6 minutes (5:58.9 or 358.9sec) for 888m/s
I make that 2.47 m/s^2 , or about  1/4g

TransEarthInjection (breaking lunar orbit) is 2:29.4 (149.4 sec) for
3292.7 fps or about 1000m/s
I make that as 6.7m/s, or about 2/3g
(Note the performance increase from not pushing the LM any more)

There's a lot of really neat stuff in that document...
If I had a bunch of free time, it'd be tempting to rewrite it as an
IISS "Mission Planning Workbook", with fill-in-the-blank sections.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 1:02 AM <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
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> So this article https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150809-how-fast-could-humans-travel-safely-through-space got me thinking....
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> The Apollo 11 capsule was doing around 40K km/h at top speed coming back. The distance to the moon was 377,349km at that time.
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> Now, I've seen some discussion of the S shaped curve to enter a retrograde orbit around the moon as well, but it was lacking in some of the information I wanted (I did find out about 600 m/s was the velocity you need to enter said orbit).
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> So if they left the moon starting with 600 m/s and accelerated half way back, flipped, and decelerated, and they were doing 40K km/h at flip over, if I get my math right, they would have reached 40 K km/hr  minus 600 m/s in half the distance of 377K km.
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> Close to 250 minutes at the flip.
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> Now, I don't think they did constant acceleration nor constant deceleration nor did they need to get intercept velocity to zero (the atmo helps here on the return).
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> Punching in:
> V(0) = 600 m/s (orbital velocity of the moon)
> V(final at th flip) = 40,000,000 m/s
> Time = 250 mins
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> Acceleration then looks to be 42 m/s^2.
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> That looks like 4 gees for nearly 5 hours accel then flip and decel at the same, so that's about 10 hours of 4 gees... that seems pretty hard on the astronauts.
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> Am I off in space with my numbers? The G load would be worse if you accelerated like mad for some minutes and then cut off for the rest of the trip to the mid-point.
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> I'm trying to figure out what sorts of acceleration you could reasonably sustain during system travel without grav plates if the journey took more than a short window (say 10 minutes or so)...
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> Would system ships in these settings then boost at a maximum of about 1.25 gees for a long haul? Or would they burst at 2-3Gs or more for up to 15 or 30 minutes, then come down, then have another heavy accel again if needed every (insert period of hours)?
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> Thoughts?
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> (I'm also thinking about, for say a trip to mars with a conventional rocket, how much would be coasting and what sort of Gs would be applied to get you moving? I'm assuming you couldn't burn all the way due to fuel weight...)
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> (Also curious if some form of maglev launch from the moon (lower escape velocity) might get you some of your initial velocity for a trip out to mars ...)
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> (Also curious - having trouble figuring out (via research) how fast one could 'fly' with a good push off inside a station in zero-G - I'm not sure what sort of velocity a straight jump from a surface using strong leg muscles could produce...)
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> Tom B
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