On 7/5/2020 1:29 AM, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote:
> Does anyone recall how long it took to charge the drive in Annic Nova? And how
> close did you have to be to a sun if it was using solar radiation? One would
> think being in the outer sysem would really slow that down.... (energy density
> would be much less)
>
	Collectors are described in the T5 rules (T5.10 book 2 p.56)

The Collector is a specialized alternative Power Source.
It slowly absorbs exotic particle energy and releases it in a
burst which can fuel interstellar drives. A Collector is half internal mechanism
and half external extendable canopy. One full charge provides the
power requirement for a Jump Drive of equal Drive Potential.

	Collector table (T5.10 book 2 p.76), the collector is available at TL 14, with
each TL advance giving a +1 to the collector drive potential. So a Jump-4 drive
requires a Collector-4 to power

	The Drive Potential Table (T5.10 Book 2 p.77,78) give how the # of ton of
collector converts to a drive potential.

	After about 150 Charges (perhaps six years of travelling), the Canopy needs to
be replaced at a cost of MCr52.5, which is about Cr350,000 per Jump-2.

	Though, you know, The rules don't describe how long it takes to charge the
collector.

	According to JTAS1 (p. 27), the charging time is 1D weeks.

> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:38 PM Thomas RUX <xxxxxx@comcast.net
> <mailto:xxxxxx@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     __
>     Hello Phil,
>
>>     On 07/04/2020 5:20 PM Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com
>>     <http://yahoo.com> (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com
>>     <mailto:xxxxxx@simplelists.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     On Friday, July 3, 2020, 05:49:13 AM MST, Thomas RUX <xxxxxx@comcast.net
>>     <mailto:xxxxxx@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello Phil,
>>>     On 07/02/2020 8:49 PM Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com
>>>     <http://yahoo.com> (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com
>>>     <mailto:xxxxxx@simplelists.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 11:54:38 PM MST, Rupert Boleyn
>>>     <xxxxxx@gmail.com <mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On 01Jul2020 1811, Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com
>>>     <http://yahoo.com> (via tml
>>>     list) wrote:
>>>     > It's not a question of YTU or MTU & I never, ever said that NO fuel is
>>>     > needed at all.
>>>     >
>>>     > The question is HOW MUCH fuel does a starship need to have avail AFTER
>>>     > it enters J-space.
>>>     >
>>>     > The whole idea of d-tanks indicates that it isn't very much at all.
>>>     >
>>>     > You seem to be saying that IF the capacitors were charged w/o using
>>>     > fuel, then it needs a full load of fuel in order to make a jump.
>>>     > OTOH, if the ship uses a whole lot of fuel before the jump then it
>>>     > doesn't need as much.
>>>     >
>>>     > It just doesn't make any sense to require the same amount of fuel in
>>>     > both instances.
>>>     Not so. If you take the LLB 2 1981 and HG view that jump drives need
>>>     power from the power plant, then the black globe charging the capacitors
>>>     replaces this power requirement. Therefore, it has nothing to do with
>>>     the jump fuel requirement, which remains the same no matter what.
>>>     Problem solved.
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>     Well that depends on exactly what the massive expenditure of L-Hyd just
>>>     before jumping accomplishes.
>>>     I believe most folks would say that what is accomplished is charging the
>>>     capacitors.
>>>     In that case the same amount of jump fuel would NOT be required.
>>>     Just like with the Annic Nova.
>>>
>>>     -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>     The Annic Nova uses a solar radiation collector to charge accumulators,
>>     some sort of giant battery?, that acts as a power plant to charge the jump
>>     capacitors and make a jump. Upon arriving at the destination the solar
>>     collector begins to charge the accumulators again. Of course if there is
>>     enough charge in the accumulators the ship can jump immediately.
>>
>>     Tom Rux
>>     -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     Doesn't seem to need any L-Hyd at all, ISTR.
>>     And it is 'CANON(tm)'.
>>     I guess all the power to operate the ship comes from those collectors so
>>     it must be Ancient Tech, just like black globes.
>     Your are correct that there is only one design that does not use L-Hyd,
>     which does seem to indicate that it is either Ancient Tech or perhaps the
>     sophonts that built it did not get the memo that L-Hyd had to be used.
>
>     The Express Boat is also canon which does not have a power plant to charge
>     the jump drive either, unless the power plant is built into the jump drive.
>
>     Tom Rux
>
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