On 7/5/2020 6:45 AM, Thomas Jones-Low wrote:
> On 7/5/2020 1:29 AM, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote:
>> Does anyone recall how long it took to charge the drive in Annic Nova? And how
>> close did you have to be to a sun if it was using solar radiation? One would
>> think being in the outer sysem would really slow that down.... (energy density
>> would be much less)
>>
>      Collectors are described in the T5 rules (T5.10 book 2 p.56)
>
> The Collector is a specialized alternative Power Source.
> It slowly absorbs exotic particle energy and releases it in a
> burst which can fuel interstellar drives. A Collector is half internal mechanism
> and half external extendable canopy. One full charge provides the
> power requirement for a Jump Drive of equal Drive Potential.
>
>      Collector table (T5.10 book 2 p.76), the collector is available at TL 14,
> with each TL advance giving a +1 to the collector drive potential. So a Jump-4
> drive requires a Collector-4 to power
>
>      The Drive Potential Table (T5.10 Book 2 p.77,78) give how the # of ton of
> collector converts to a drive potential.
>
>      After about 150 Charges (perhaps six years of travelling), the Canopy needs
> to be replaced at a cost of MCr52.5, which is about Cr350,000 per Jump-2.
>
>      Though, you know, The rules don't describe how long it takes to charge the
> collector.
>
	I was wrong, it does. T5.10 Book 2, p. 189-190. A canopy accumulates about one
tenth charge for each day of deployment. A canopy is capable of
charging without regard to proximity of stars or worlds.  A deployed
canopy must be stowed before the ship accelerates (Accelerating while the canopy
is deployed adds to the aging of the canopy, which means it takes longer to
accumulate to the charge, or needs to be replace).

>      According to JTAS1 (p. 27), the charging time is 1D weeks.
>
>
>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:38 PM Thomas RUX <xxxxxx@comcast.net
>> <mailto:xxxxxx@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     __
>>     Hello Phil,
>>
>>>     On 07/04/2020 5:20 PM Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com
>>>     <http://yahoo.com> (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com
>>>     <mailto:xxxxxx@simplelists.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On Friday, July 3, 2020, 05:49:13 AM MST, Thomas RUX <xxxxxx@comcast.net
>>>     <mailto:xxxxxx@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hello Phil,
>>>>     On 07/02/2020 8:49 PM Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com
>>>>     <http://yahoo.com> (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com
>>>>     <mailto:xxxxxx@simplelists.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 11:54:38 PM MST, Rupert Boleyn
>>>>     <xxxxxx@gmail.com <mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     On 01Jul2020 1811, Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com
>>>>     <http://yahoo.com> (via tml
>>>>     list) wrote:
>>>>     > It's not a question of YTU or MTU & I never, ever said that NO fuel is
>>>>     > needed at all.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > The question is HOW MUCH fuel does a starship need to have avail AFTER
>>>>     > it enters J-space.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > The whole idea of d-tanks indicates that it isn't very much at all.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > You seem to be saying that IF the capacitors were charged w/o using
>>>>     > fuel, then it needs a full load of fuel in order to make a jump.
>>>>     > OTOH, if the ship uses a whole lot of fuel before the jump then it
>>>>     > doesn't need as much.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > It just doesn't make any sense to require the same amount of fuel in
>>>>     > both instances.
>>>>     Not so. If you take the LLB 2 1981 and HG view that jump drives need
>>>>     power from the power plant, then the black globe charging the capacitors
>>>>     replaces this power requirement. Therefore, it has nothing to do with
>>>>     the jump fuel requirement, which remains the same no matter what.
>>>>     Problem solved.
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Well that depends on exactly what the massive expenditure of L-Hyd just
>>>>     before jumping accomplishes.
>>>>     I believe most folks would say that what is accomplished is charging the
>>>>     capacitors.
>>>>     In that case the same amount of jump fuel would NOT be required.
>>>>     Just like with the Annic Nova.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>     The Annic Nova uses a solar radiation collector to charge accumulators,
>>>     some sort of giant battery?, that acts as a power plant to charge the jump
>>>     capacitors and make a jump. Upon arriving at the destination the solar
>>>     collector begins to charge the accumulators again. Of course if there is
>>>     enough charge in the accumulators the ship can jump immediately.
>>>
>>>     Tom Rux
>>>     -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>     Doesn't seem to need any L-Hyd at all, ISTR.
>>>     And it is 'CANON(tm)'.
>>>     I guess all the power to operate the ship comes from those collectors so
>>>     it must be Ancient Tech, just like black globes.
>>     Your are correct that there is only one design that does not use L-Hyd,
>>     which does seem to indicate that it is either Ancient Tech or perhaps the
>>     sophonts that built it did not get the memo that L-Hyd had to be used.
>>
>>     The Express Boat is also canon which does not have a power plant to charge
>>     the jump drive either, unless the power plant is built into the jump drive.
>>
>>     Tom Rux
>>
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