Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (13 Jul 2020 04:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (13 Jul 2020 04:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (13 Jul 2020 13:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (13 Jul 2020 13:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (13 Jul 2020 14:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (13 Jul 2020 19:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (13 Jul 2020 18:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (13 Jul 2020 20:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (13 Jul 2020 21:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (16 Jul 2020 11:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Alex Goodwin (16 Jul 2020 12:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (16 Jul 2020 13:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Alex Goodwin (16 Jul 2020 14:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (16 Jul 2020 14:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (17 Jul 2020 00:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (17 Jul 2020 02:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Alex Goodwin (17 Jul 2020 03:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (17 Jul 2020 09:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Belt Mining in the Ziru Sirka redux - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus Kelly St. Clair (17 Jul 2020 20:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (17 Jul 2020 13:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (25 Jul 2020 08:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (25 Jul 2020 12:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (25 Jul 2020 14:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Alex Goodwin (25 Jul 2020 16:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (25 Jul 2020 23:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (26 Jul 2020 10:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (25 Jul 2020 16:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (25 Jul 2020 20:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (26 Jul 2020 00:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (26 Jul 2020 15:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (26 Jul 2020 19:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (28 Jul 2020 21:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (25 Jul 2020 22:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (27 Jul 2020 13:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (27 Jul 2020 17:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (27 Jul 2020 18:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (27 Jul 2020 20:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (27 Jul 2020 21:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (27 Jul 2020 21:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jul 2020 02:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (30 Jul 2020 09:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (27 Jul 2020 20:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (27 Jul 2020 21:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (27 Jul 2020 21:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (28 Jul 2020 02:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jul 2020 02:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (28 Jul 2020 02:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jul 2020 02:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (28 Jul 2020 15:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (30 Jul 2020 09:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (30 Jul 2020 09:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (02 Aug 2020 11:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Aug 2020 16:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (02 Aug 2020 22:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Aug 2020 02:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Kelly St. Clair (03 Aug 2020 02:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus James Davies (03 Aug 2020 09:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (02 Aug 2020 16:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (30 Jul 2020 10:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (30 Jul 2020 15:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Jul 2020 15:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (30 Jul 2020 16:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Jul 2020 17:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (30 Jul 2020 20:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Jul 2020 21:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Kelly St. Clair (30 Jul 2020 23:07 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (31 Jul 2020 02:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (31 Jul 2020 02:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (31 Jul 2020 06:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (31 Jul 2020 13:07 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (30 Jul 2020 21:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (31 Jul 2020 02:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (31 Jul 2020 15:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (31 Jul 2020 21:54 UTC)
OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus Alex Goodwin (01 Aug 2020 15:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Aug 2020 17:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus Ethan McKinney (01 Aug 2020 18:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Aug 2020 19:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (05 Aug 2020 10:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (05 Aug 2020 17:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Aug 2020 00:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus Alex Goodwin (02 Aug 2020 06:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Aug 2020 17:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (07 Aug 2020 14:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (07 Aug 2020 16:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (07 Aug 2020 18:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (08 Aug 2020 01:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (11 Aug 2020 07:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (11 Aug 2020 20:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (11 Aug 2020 22:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (13 Aug 2020 22:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (14 Aug 2020 00:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (10 Aug 2020 09:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (10 Aug 2020 10:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (13 Aug 2020 06:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (13 Aug 2020 07:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (30 Jul 2020 03:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (17 Jul 2020 00:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Ethan McKinney (16 Jul 2020 20:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (16 Jul 2020 21:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (21 Jul 2020 14:59 UTC)

Re: [TML] Belt Mining in the Ziru Sirka redux - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus Kelly St. Clair 17 Jul 2020 20:54 UTC

On 7/17/2020 6:17 AM, Thomas RUX wrote:
> Morning from WA. Alex,
>
> My recollection of Ziru Sirka is that they were a rigid organization that tried to control every detail of an operation.
>
> Tom Rux

Yes, but a couple of things:

1. Central governments rarely have as much control over things as they'd
like, especially out at the fringes of their territory.

2. Social disorder is not unlike trash or entropy; either you make a
place for it to accumulate and exist mostly harmlessly, or it will find
its own.  Nominally "free" cultures allow a certain amount of slack and
free expression and (usually rather shallow and petty) "rebellion",
while totalitarian regimes, particularly in fiction, often set up their
own "resistance" movements so they can monitor and manipulate them and,
when necessary, send in the secret police.

3. Belter cultures in SF, especially the sort/era that Traveller models,
almost universally tend to be more liberal/libertarian in social
attitudes, while also being utterly uncompromising on the subject of
personal responsibility and safety (stuff that can get everyone in a
crew or a hab killed).

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Kelly St. Clair
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