Re: [TML] Understanding World Domination. Tim 02 Feb 2016 23:52 UTC
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 10:15:08PM +0100, Knapp wrote: > Perhaps not in fiction but there is a historical precedence for the > argument. It is the Catholics VS the Lutherans. Should you be > baptised at birth or after the age of reason of your own free will? I suppose that would have mattered more (and been closer to the "subject of a nation state" discussion) back when the church had a lot more power to enforce penalties against those it considered to be members. > Rebellion assumes leadership and I would say dictatorship to rebel > against. There is no need for dictatorship. Somewhat democratic nations have had rebellions and internal wars. > If a democratic "nation" (planet, empire whatever). Buys a planet because > the citizen of the sold planet voted for the sale then I don't see that > there is much to rebell against even many generation later. They might > decide that they don't like the new government but then they could just > vote to secede. Perhaps, perhaps not. It is entirely possible that secession requires a supermajority in a national vote, for example, and not just a majority in that particular region. > I really don't see how a democratic nation could take over a > resistant group of people without violating there own ideas of self > government. Not getting too bogged down in details, but it has happened, indeed quite recently, and almost certainly will happen again many times in the future. > The only way I could see justifying such a takeover would be to > postulate that the other people were inferior and not citizens and > therefore had no rights. There are many other justifications. E.g. postulate that they need saving from their current government, which isn't a democracy. If it inconveniently is some varient of democracy, then say that it's not a *real* democracy. Maybe call it a police action, claiming that their actions as a nation have led to the suspension of such rights until suitable corrections have been applied. The list goes on. - Tim