expected ship traffic Timothy Collinson (22 Aug 2014 16:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (22 Aug 2014 19:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (22 Aug 2014 19:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Bruce Johnson (22 Aug 2014 20:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (22 Aug 2014 20:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (22 Aug 2014 20:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (22 Aug 2014 21:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (22 Aug 2014 21:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (22 Aug 2014 22:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (22 Aug 2014 23:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Tim (23 Aug 2014 08:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (24 Aug 2014 00:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Greg Chalik (23 Aug 2014 02:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Joseph Hallare (23 Aug 2014 06:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (23 Aug 2014 23:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Greg Chalik (24 Aug 2014 00:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (24 Aug 2014 14:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (24 Aug 2014 22:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (24 Aug 2014 22:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (24 Aug 2014 23:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (24 Aug 2014 22:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (25 Aug 2014 00:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 05:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Greg Chalik (25 Aug 2014 03:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (25 Aug 2014 03:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Greg Chalik (25 Aug 2014 04:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (25 Aug 2014 04:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Greg Chalik (25 Aug 2014 04:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 05:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (25 Aug 2014 06:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 14:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Tim (26 Aug 2014 00:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (26 Aug 2014 00:25 UTC)
RE: [TML] expected ship traffic Anthony Jackson (26 Aug 2014 21:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (26 Aug 2014 21:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (26 Aug 2014 04:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Tim (26 Aug 2014 05:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (26 Aug 2014 13:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (26 Aug 2014 15:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Tim (27 Aug 2014 04:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (27 Aug 2014 20:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Bruce Johnson (25 Aug 2014 14:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 14:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Bruce Johnson (25 Aug 2014 16:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (25 Aug 2014 16:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 19:22 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (25 Aug 2014 19:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 20:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Kelly St. Clair (25 Aug 2014 19:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 20:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (25 Aug 2014 20:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 21:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Bruce Johnson (25 Aug 2014 20:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 21:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Tim (26 Aug 2014 00:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Greg Chalik (26 Aug 2014 00:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (26 Aug 2014 00:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (26 Aug 2014 00:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Jeffrey Schwartz (25 Aug 2014 16:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (25 Aug 2014 17:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic David Shaw (25 Aug 2014 18:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Bruce Johnson (25 Aug 2014 20:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 21:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (25 Aug 2014 21:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 21:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Kurt Feltenberger (25 Aug 2014 21:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Kurt Feltenberger (25 Aug 2014 21:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Jeffrey Schwartz (26 Aug 2014 13:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic John Geoffrey (26 Aug 2014 14:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Jeffrey Schwartz (26 Aug 2014 14:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic John Geoffrey (26 Aug 2014 14:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Tim (27 Aug 2014 02:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Kurt Feltenberger (27 Aug 2014 02:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Jeffrey Schwartz (27 Aug 2014 13:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (27 Aug 2014 19:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Jeffrey Schwartz (27 Aug 2014 20:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (27 Aug 2014 21:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Jeffrey Schwartz (28 Aug 2014 13:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (28 Aug 2014 13:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Jeffrey Schwartz (28 Aug 2014 14:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic John Geoffrey (28 Aug 2014 14:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Jeffrey Schwartz (28 Aug 2014 14:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Tim (29 Aug 2014 07:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Greg Chalik (28 Aug 2014 20:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Kelly St. Clair (27 Aug 2014 05:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (27 Aug 2014 19:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Timothy Collinson (29 Aug 2014 19:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 19:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic William Ewing (27 Aug 2014 20:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (27 Aug 2014 20:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Jeffrey Schwartz (27 Aug 2014 20:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (27 Aug 2014 20:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Timothy Collinson (29 Aug 2014 19:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Andrew Long (27 Aug 2014 20:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (27 Aug 2014 21:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2014 06:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Richard Aiken (24 Aug 2014 06:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (24 Aug 2014 06:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Richard Aiken (01 Sep 2014 00:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (01 Sep 2014 02:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Richard Aiken (02 Sep 2014 00:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (02 Sep 2014 00:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Tim (24 Aug 2014 07:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Greg Chalik (24 Aug 2014 08:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (24 Aug 2014 08:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (24 Aug 2014 15:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic William Ewing (27 Aug 2014 19:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (24 Aug 2014 22:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (24 Aug 2014 22:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (24 Aug 2014 23:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Thomas Jones-Low (22 Aug 2014 20:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Greg Chalik (22 Aug 2014 21:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Thomas Jones-Low (22 Aug 2014 21:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Timothy Collinson (22 Aug 2014 21:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (24 Aug 2014 00:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (24 Aug 2014 15:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Tim (23 Aug 2014 07:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Timothy Collinson (23 Aug 2014 08:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Kelly St. Clair (23 Aug 2014 09:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Kelly St. Clair (23 Aug 2014 09:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Timothy Collinson (23 Aug 2014 11:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Tim (23 Aug 2014 11:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (23 Aug 2014 23:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (23 Aug 2014 23:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Freelance Traveller (27 Aug 2014 22:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Ian Whitchurch (27 Aug 2014 23:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Craig Berry (27 Aug 2014 23:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic John Geoffrey (28 Aug 2014 12:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Richard Aiken (29 Aug 2014 13:30 UTC)

Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Tim 27 Aug 2014 04:25 UTC

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 08:47:39AM -0700, Phil Pugliese (via tml list) wrote:
> If trade was really at a MegaVolume level wouldn't just about all
> worlds have been completely saturated w/ TL10+ by now?

MegaVolume is a relative term.  Remember that when we're talking about
tens of thousands to millions of dtons per week, this is not for a
city, state, or even a country.  It's the sum total of all trade for
at least a *whole planet*.  By any human scale, planets are huge.

Maybe if I put it another way: suppose an Earthlike planet is
moderately sparsely populated, with an average population density of
one person per square kilometre of land - say 50% of the total
surface.  By comparison, modern Earth's average land population
density is about 50 people per km^2.  This puts the world somewhat on
the lower end of a pop-8 world.

Let's say 20% of the population live in cities of a million people or
more, 30% in large towns of 100k-1M people, 20% in smaller towns of
10k-100k, and the remaining 30% in villages or isolated settlements.

There are probably about 5-10 cities on the planet.  A "typical"
inhabitant of the planet will live in or near the lower-size end of a
large town, or the upper end of a smaller town, with maybe 90k people.
The nearest city would probably be 2000-5000 km away, a decent length
of trip even with grav technology.  The nearest larger town would
probably be "only" 500-1000 km away, though even at high tech not a
trivial distance.

A planet with very little trade might import and export only 2-4% of
their GDP.  That is, 96-98% of what they want is satisfied by local
services or production.  They're almost completely self-sufficient,
but maybe a few things are cheaper, better, or easier to import
(either regularly or irregularly).  Maybe in return there are some
things that they can supply just a bit better or cheaper than their
neighbouring worlds.

So this average 90k town imports or exports maybe on the order of
10-20 dtons per week.  If every town had its own starport, it might
get a small tramp once per month.  This certainly has the flavour of
something of a backwater.

However, it's very unlikely that every town has its own downport.  The
trade for the world is likely aggregated into one or more highports,
with an orbital and on-world distribution network of some sort.  When
you add up all the backwaters over the whole planet, you get a traffic
of about 50,000 dtons per week despite this planet (and all the others
nearby) meeting 96-98% of their own demand.

So although this insular planet consists mostly of a few moderate
cities and a great many backwater towns that never see a starship, the
planet as a whole still does enormously more trade than a few tramps
can supply.

That's because planets are really big.

- Tim